Peter Elder of Virginia

Elder Notes ─ Generation 9 ─ Robert and (1) Grace (2) Marian Elder


Summary

Robert9 Elder (Robert8, Henry7, Joshua6, James5, Joseph4, William3, Peter2, Peter1) was born in 1902 in Davidson County, Tennessee, to parents Robert S. and Maude Logan Elder. The family moved to the Detroit, Michigan, area in 1917. He married first Grace Unruh, then divorced and married Marian Adams. Robert and Grace had 2 children; Robert and Marian had 3 children. Robert and Marian Elder and their children moved to Garden Home, Oregon, in 1951. Robert died in 1977 in Tigard, Oregon. Grace died in 1998 in Detroit, Michigan. Marian died in 2009 in Beaverton, Oregon.


Memories

Memories of Marian Elder, part 1 [document]

Memories of Marian Elder, part 2 [document]

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Records

These are the principal records for Robert9 Elder and family:

  1. Robert S. Elder Junior was born 10 Jan 1902 in rural Nashville, Civil District 6, Davidson County, Tennessee, to father Robert Scott Elder Sr. and mother Maude T. Logan [Delayed Certificate of Birth, 1951, State of Tennessee, Dept of Public Health] [record]
     
  2. Robert S. Elder appeared as son in the household of Robert S. Elder in the 1910 Census of Davidson County, Tennessee:

    [1910 Census of United States, Davidson County, Tennessee, Civil District 6, enumeration date 4 May 1910, Microfilm series T624, Roll 1496, page 15] [record]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace -
    Self
    Birthplace -
    Father
    Birthplace -
    Mother
    Elder, Robert S. 33 M head Carpenter TN TN TN
    Elder, Maud T. 33 F wife None TN TN TN
    Elder, William L. 11 M son None TN TN TN
    Elder, Martha A. 9 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Robert S. 8 M son None TN TN TN
    Elder, Charlotte 5 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Nathalie 2 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Maud L. 7/12 F daughter None TN TN TN

    Married 12 years; 6 of 6 children living

  3. Grace E. Unruh appeared as daughter in the household of Elias Unruh in the 1910 Census of Wayne County, Michigan:

    [1910 Census of United States, Wayne County, Michigan, Detroit, Ward 18, enumeration date 15 Apr 1910, Microfilm series T624, Roll 688, page 238] [record]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace -
    Self
    Birthplace -
    Father
    Birthplace -
    Mother
    Unruh, Elias 29 M head Switchman, railroad MI Ger. Germany Ger. Germany
    Unruh, Augusta M. 26 F wife None Ger. Germany Ger. Germany Ger. Germany
    Unruh, Earl C. 5 M son None MI MI Ger. Germany
    Unruh, Grace E. 4 F daughter None MI MI Ger. Germany

    Married 6 years; 2 of 2 children living

  4. Robert S. Elder Jr. appeared in the Nashville city directory for 1917: "Elder, Robt S jr driver b 2824 Logan av" [reference?, page 232]
     
  5. "Our family left Nashville for Detroit July 7, 1917. We came on the train. My father and older brother Wm. Leon had been here for a few weeks." [From correspondence: Martha Sparks (daughter of Robert S. Elder Sr.) to Robert S. Elder III, 1978] [record, page 6]
     
  6. Robert S. Elder appeared in some Detroit, Michigan, city directories from 1918 to 1941:
     
    Year Listing Page
    1918 not listed 760
    1919-1920 Elder, Robt S Jr ship clk h786 Kirby av w 884
    1920 not listed 1173
    1921-1922 not listed 962
    1922-1923 not listed 936
    1923-1924 not listed 969
    1925-1926 not listed 976
    1927-1928 Elder, Robert S (Grace) confr 2434 Hastings h997 Wilkins 948
    1928-1929 Elder, Robt S (Grace E) formn Cadillac h860 Beaconsfield av GPPk 836
    1930-1931 not listed 719
    1931-1932 not listed 622
    1932-1933 not listed  
    1934 not listed 608
    1935 not listed 666
    1936 Elder, Robt S (Grace E) service mgr h1540 Oxford rd Lochmoor 475
    1936-1937 not listed 618
    1938 not listed 531
    1939 Elder, Robt S (Grace E) service mgr CMCDiv rHotel Webster Hall 519
    1940 Elder, Robt S serv mgr h17701 Manderson rd apt 105 535
    1940-1941 Elder, Robt S (B Marion) h17701 Manderson rd apt 105 556

    Note: no directories were printed during the war; the next one on microfilm was 1953 and Robert S. Elder wasn't listed.

    [City Directories of the United States, Detroit, Michigan, Reels 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45, 0505301, 0505303, 0505306, 0505308, 0505311, 0505313, 0505316, Library of Congress]

    Robert S. Elder appeared in the District of Columbia directory for 1933: "Elder, R S (Grace E) service mgr Kempton Cadillac Corp r 4401 Stanford (Ch Ch Md)" (Ch Ch=Chevy Chase) [Polk, Boyd's District of Columbia Directory, 1933, page 535 (at DAR)].

  7. Robert S. Elder Jr. appeared as son in the household of Robert S. Elder in the 1920 Census of Wayne County, Michigan:

    [1920 Census of United States, Wayne County, Detroit City, Ward 10, enumeration date 6 Jan 1920, Michigan, Microfilm series T625, Roll 809, page 252] [record]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace -
    Self
    Birthplace -
    Father
    Birthplace -
    Mother
    Elder, Robert S. 42 M head Machinist TN TN TN
    Elder, Maude T. 42 F wife None TN TN TN
    Elder, William L. 21 M son Machinist TN TN TN
    Elder, Martha A. 19 F daughter Stenographer TN TN TN
    Elder, Robert S. Jr. 17 M son Machinist TN TN TN
    Elder, Charlotte M. 15 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Nathalie M. 12 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Maude L. 10 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Katherine C. 6 F daughter None TN TN TN
    Elder, Margaret L. 1 3/12 F daughter None MI TN TN

    Machinists in auto factory

  8. Grace Unruh appeared as daughter in the household of Marie Sogert Unruh in the 1920 Census of Wayne County, Michigan:

    [1920 Census of United States, Wayne County, Detroit City, Ward 16, enumeration date 2 Jan 1920, Michigan, Microfilm series T625, Roll 815, page 74] [record]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace -
    Self
    Birthplace -
    Father
    Birthplace -
    Mother
    Unruh, Sogert Marie 35 F head None Germany Germany Germany
    Unruh, Earl 15 M son Clerk MI Germany Germany
    Unruh, Grace 14 F daughter None MI Germany Germany
    Sogert, Robert 46 M brother None Germany Germany Germany
    Sogert, Lottie 76 F mother None Germany Germany Germany

  9. Marian Adams appeared with Birney Adams and family in the 1920 and 1930 Censuses of Ingham County, City of Lansing, Michigan [records]

    1920 Census [Census of United States, Ingham County, Michigan, Lansing City, Ward 4, enumeration date 8 & 9 Jan 1920, Microfilm series T625, Roll 772, page 8]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace-
    Self
    Birthplace-
    Father
    Birthplace-
    Mother
    Adams, Birny J 38 M head Secretary, wheel factory MI MI MI
    Adams, Hazel P. 33 F wife None MI England Scotland
    Adams, Robert J. 6 M son None MI MI MI
    Adams, Francis E. 4 6/12 F daughter None MI MI MI
    Adams, Bernice M. 2 8/12 F daughter None MI MI MI
    White, Samuel J. 33 M boarder Engineer, State Hwy Dept. MI England England
    White, Marion F. 27 F boarder None MI England Scotland
    White, Elizabeth C. 8/12 F boarder None MI MI MI

    1930 Census [Census of United States, Ingham County, Michigan, Lansing City, Ward 3, enumeration date 19 Apr 1930, Microfilm series T626, Roll 991, page 78]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace-
    Self
    Birthplace-
    Father
    Birthplace-
    Mother
    Adams, Birney J. 47 M head Secretary, auto wheel factory MI MI MI
    Adams, Hazel P. 42 F wife None MI England OH
    Adams, Robert J. 16 M son None MI MI MI
    Adams, Elizabeth 14 F daughter None MI MI MI
    Adams, Marion B. 12 F daughter None MI MI MI
    Adams, Paul D. 10 M son None MI MI MI
    Adams, Marjorie J. 7 F daughter None MI MI MI
    Adams, Winnie A. 68 F mother None MI NY MI

  10. Robt. Elder Jr. (age 21, father Robt. and mother Maud Logan) and Grace Unrue (age 18, father Elias and mother Marie) were married by Claud Witty, Clergyman, in Detroit, Michigan; not previously married; license and marriage 21 Oct 1922; witnessed by Bruce and Blanche LaFrance of Detroit [record]
     
  11. Robert S. Elder appeared as head of household in the 1930 Census of Wayne County, Michigan:

    [1930 Census of United States, Wayne County, Michigan, City of Detroit, Ward 19, Precinct 5, enumeration date 10 Apr 1930, Microfilm series T626, Roll 1070, page 270] [record]

    Name Age Sex Relationship
    to head
    Occupation Birthplace -
    Self
    Birthplace -
    Father
    Birthplace -
    Mother
    Elder, Robert S. 28 M head Shipper TN TN TN
    Elder, Grace 24 F wife None MI MI Germany
    Elder, Marion 6 F daughter None MI TN MI
    Elder, Beverly 1 6/12 F daughter None MI TN MI

  12. Robert S. Elder (age 35, Service Manager, previously married one time, father Robert S. and mother Maude Logan) and Bernice Marion Adams (age 22, Stenographer, father Birney J. and mother Hazel Paine) both of Detroit, were married by Rev. W. M. Jarett, Methodist Clergyman, in East Lansing, Ingham County, Michigan; license 14 Aug 1939 and marriage 24 Aug 1939; witnessed by Richard H. Baker and Jean Adams of Lansing, Michigan [Certified copy of marriage license, Wayne County, Michigan] [record]
     
  13. Grace Unruh Elder died 10 Oct 1998 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, born 5 Dec 1905, SSN 371-46-0366 [Social Security Death Index]
     
  14. Robert Scott Elder died 8 Dec 1977 in Tigard, Washington County, Oregon, at age 75; born 10 Jan 1902 in Nashville, Tennessee; parents Robert Scott Elder Sr. and Maude Logan; informant wife Bernice Elder; residence 14165 SW 141st; buried at Skyline Memorial Gardens Cemetery in Portland 12 Dec 1977; undertaker Young's Funeral Home [Death Certificate, State of Oregon, State Health Division] [record]

    His obituary appeared in Tigard and Portland, Oregon, newspapers [record, pages 2 and 3].

  15. Marian Elder died 30 Dec 2009 in Beaverton, Oregon, at age 92. Her obituary is here.

Click on a link to see an abstract or copy of the record.

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Discussion of Records

What can one learn from these records?

Birth

Robert Elder was born in Davidson County, Tennessee, on 10 Jan 1902 (record 1, record 14).

Family

Robert Elder's parents were Robert8 and Maude Elder (record 1). More information on them is given here.

Marriages

Robert Elder and Grace Unrue married in Wayne County, Michigan, in 1922 (record 10); he married Bernice Marion Adams in Ingham County, Michigan, in 1939 (record 12).

Wives

Grace Elaine Unruh was the daughter of Elias and Marie Sogert Unruh (records 38, 10). Grace was born in Michigan on 5 Dec 1905 (record 13). Bernice Marion Adams was the daughter of Birney and Hazel Paine Adams (record 9, Memories). More information on them is given here.

Children

Based on my personal knowledge, Robert S. Elder Jr. had five children:

Children of Robert and Grace Elder:

Children of Robert and Marian Elder:

Residences

Robert Elder grew up in Davidson County, Tennessee (records 1, 2). He and his family moved to Detroit, Michigan in 1917 (record 5). He and Grace lived in the Detroit area, in Chevy Chase, Maryland, and in Providence, Rhode Island, in the 1920s and 1930s. He moved with wife Marian to Oakland County, Michigan, then moved to SW Portland, Oregon in 1951. He and Marian moved to Tigard, Oregon, in 1966.

Death

Robert Elder died 8 Dec 1977 in Tigard, Washington County, Oregon (record 14).

Wives' deaths

Grace Elder died 10 Oct 1998 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan (record 13). Marian Elder died 30 Dec 2009 in Beaverton, Oregon (record 16).

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Land

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References

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